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Received emails off David Whittall today regarding his involvement with Legacy and also the BOI arrest of Paul. Both things that were briefly skimmed over as the who and where at the time didn't seem that important as simply Paul was held at the BOI and the Legacy investments were more to do with the involvement of Paul in them at the time. But me being unable to identify the Filipino agent's name was a point of how much I was involved in the investments themselves. Quite simply I avoided it and hadn't met or spoken to the agent but David knew who I was talking about as his name is Nestor.

Anyway will share a couple of emails from today not that I am trying to put David on the spot but he does believe he has no real connection to Legacy or other investments as well as was just filling his paperwork at BOI and happened to visit Paul in his cell that day. I wasn't there so can't say! But I will say however the stuff regarding Nestor, Paul at the BOI jail and why Sha Sha came to be an agent were all things David had told me himself when I was there regarding wanting more information on Legacy at the time. It was however this meeting that seen my wife never go to an expat meet up again except for a close circle of friends.

    "Fact - Paul was involved with the legacy investments on a commission basis via a Filipino agent as he pushed David Whittle out of it and its why Davids wife became an agent herself (Heard it directly from David when I was at his house and trying to sell me a Legacy Policy)."

    Matt seems you can't even spellmy surname correctly, so how are you supposed toget your facts straight?

    I don't reacall you ever having been to my house and certainly not tried to sell you any Legacy Policy, so why do you post that?

    I started posting about these Legacy Group Rural Banks on PMT Forum and 'TheProfessor' was impressed with the amount of knowledge and information I had picked up on these Rural Banks. More than many of the Agents he had receruited under him as a Vice President. It was his wife that invited my wife to become a registered Pension Consultant for LCPI. Slaome (Sha Sha) gave an ID Photos, paid her Fee and got an ID Card, valid for 1 year. She was on Commission only pay basis and 10% of 'Sales' was deducted for Witholding Tax. We ver checked if they ha Registered her with the SEC, Bit then again the SEC was supposed to Audit the Books before giving them a Permit to Sell.

    I placed my 1st Deposit in BEA in March 2005. We used the services of Nestor Abello Jr. It was late in 2006 before Pinnoy Money Talk Form started discussing these 20%pa 5 Year Peso Time Deposits. Seems Nestor had many foreign clients - mostly Germans. But seems he signed their filipina wives up as LCPI Agents, but never suggested that to us. I contacted one of these Germans and it seems Nestor was 'creaming' part of their Commission and putting it in his own pocket. I also learned they reperted Nestot to LCPI when he denied any such stealing. Nestor resigned from LCPI so he would not be fired.

    So Nestor was lier and a cheat - he certainly ledus to belive he still worked for LCPI. It was the guy that acted as his driver that was the registered Agent and they 'shared' the commission. Doubt if the Driver got 50% share? We stopped using Nestor, that also had split from his Fiilipina wife and that the woman who worked with Nestor that we were led to believe was his wife, was in fact his mistress.

    As Sha-Sha had become a Registered Agent for LCPI through the wife of TheProfessor, we did not need Nestor to introduce us to the bank Managers and learn of which Legacy Group Banks were offering a particular 'Promo'. I personally went after the 'Hybrid 6' in 2 out of 5 Banks we put funds into. I used the 6th Year Advance Interest as deposit in LCPI PNBB2.

    Sure that tearned out to be crooked, from that Senate Investigation. Turned out SEC Commisioner Jesus Martinez was receiving Car and House to rubber stamp the Audits and Issue Permit to Sell, so it appeared genuine and passed all the Spam Checklist on SEC website!

    That Nestor Abello Jr was stealing Clients from Sha-Sha by briing them with cash discounts and he was not even a Regisited Agent - his driver was!

    That is whom Paul Petrea decided to team up with, not my wife. So we were competing, not partners. I was also banned from that section of his forum so as not to touch possible referral kickbacks from Nestor. Later I was banned from the whole Forum in 2008.

    So you post as if you know stuff, but in practice you know little and seem to make it up and as far as I am concerned as bas as that From Evan. perhaps you are the one pushing him misinformation about me?

    You wont be getting any invites to our house again - ever, as you are not welcome posting lies about us.!

    David & Sha-Sha

Matt Wilkie
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    David we have discussed you pushing the Legacy policy at your home as Sha-Sha was busy downstairs asking my wife if she had access to my bank accounts in your kitchen at the bottom of your house. The reason you may not remember that they went downstairs is it was cooler down there as you and Sha-Sha were arguing over switching on the air-conditioning. It was at the same meeting you told me how you and Big Jim were at the BOI paying Paul's back payments for his Visa when he was arrested. At that time I knew very little about Paul until I spoke to you as quite simply I had met Paul and decided not to bother with him again. You have named Nestor as the Filipino I didn't but you had told me how Nestor and Paul had started selling the policies and that you had gotten Sha-Sha to register as you no longer dealt with Nestor.

    You had recently come back from hospital and were also discussing about a procedure your doctor had requested and you were getting a second opinion.

    Your memory may be selective but mine isn't. In the same way I remember the "real brits club" forum that was setup regarding your squiggling about how you weren't the seller of the product when it all went sour yet multiple people confirmed you were the person who sold them the policies. Your wife was the agent only in name. Legacy, Motorbike investments, Rice all came via you never have I heard a word from your wife on any of the investments you have been promoting or active in. Feel free to open a topic up on your projects that all went sour as I am sure some of the investors who are still online will happily come forward to give their version of what happened. (The stuff regarding Cebu Brit Club mind is not the YAHOO Group its the "Real Cebu Brit Club" which seems to have its site no longer online).

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    Matt I might not recall you and your wife having visited our house, But I do know this statment is a lie:-

    "It was at the same meeting you told me how you and Big Jim were at the BOI paying Paul's back payments for his Visa when he was arrested".

    You have the worng person!

    I never helped Paul Petrea financially ever and certainly did not have anything to do with him being released from that BI detention cell that I saw him in after doing my Annual Report in 2006 and met JJ as I was leaving. She told me Paul Petra was in the Cell upstairs and we were allowed to go up with her. So yes I was @ BI, mandaue abd did see him in that Detension Cell. I left Paul there and I was not one of thise who helped him.

    Jim Sibbick was a Business Partner who naturally did help him (and others from the Forum I expect?) Jim & Paul fell out, after Bij Jim helped Paul get a job in Australia and allowed him to stay in his house. Come Wage day he held his hand out, expecting a good share of the wages as pay back for the huge financial outlay helping Paul with others pay his back fines and leave PI, as well as all the business expenses Jim had shouldered.

    Contact Jim and ask him if you dont believe me!

    I don't know where you got that notion from, that I was one of those who helped finance his release - certainly NOT from me, as it would have been a lie.

    I dont lie and have no real motive, especially after I learned it was JJ that basically put him in that detention cell.

    Sha-Sha likes Paul and asked him to be Godfather to her daughters baby, becuse Paul donated AB+ Blood to save her mamas life on 3 occasions between Feb 2008 and Feb 2009, when she died.

David Robert Whittall
3 hours ago
David Robert Whittall

    You did not Join the BritClub until Nov 9, 2007 12:41 pm matt_wilkie <matt_wilkie@hotmail.co.uk> Membership request approved by cebu_britclub <owner.cebubritclub@gmail.com> via email.

    I had already been receiving (20/12)% x 20 months Interest on my 1st BEA Peso Time Deposit by that time.

    So do you know names of anyone who lost money from V8 Motorcyles or Rice and Sugar?

    The answer is NO I expect, becuse nobody from the Britclub or Forums put money into such!

    Some personal Brit friends of ours only and 1 x American friend. 1 x American guy who invested in High Risk, High Reward, like PNBB2! Would not touch Rural Banks paying just 20%pa with PDICInsurance, also put funds into V8 Motorcyles. He only invested what he could afford to lose and does not blame us! So why the hell should those, who never put 1 centavo into such, be the ones shouting SCAM?

    We personally put more in than any individual through us, so we lost more than they did, 1 x Brit and 1 x American lost Php500k each. Sha-Sha and I lost Php4M to their Php1M and we were the ones who paid the Php6K Filing Fee for 5 x Court Cases of Php1M each.
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It's hilarious that David Whittall should complain about you misspelling his name when in the same email he misspells his wife's name among other similar mistakes! :))

Mr Whittall is not someone I would ever accept investment or financial advice from. His track record leaves a lot to be desired: Legacy, V8 motorcycles, rice and sugar and his blatant promotion of a certain condominium project tied-up with Club Ultima are pretty much all dismal failures. Indeed he was desperately trying to sell his unfinished hotel bedroom-sized condo not so long ago but his son bailed him out by taking a half-share.

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I think you are too focussed on Mr. Whitall ( Not sure now how to spell the name )

But the Legacy Investment was a nationwide scandal andmany many people were involved in it without fault.

Onyl a small percentage of foreigner were actually "hit" by it, but i also know a few Filipino friends of kine which have lost remarkable sums of money.

I myself was offered it by one of those friends and got a little tempted to do so, but in the end did not as i needed the money elsewhere. The LORD probably watched over me there.

However, one should not forget, that this entire scam was a sole Pinoy scam, and mr. Whitall apparently only got dragged into it as so many others.
Such as my friends... they are still my friends, as well as they are to the others which invested, nobody blames them for "becoming" a part of it, it just happend.

Same with rural bank deals, Condo projects and shares or franchises. The Philippines is full with those investments.
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We haven't focused on him at all btw.. David came forward regarding Legacy and BOI. The conversation between David and myself were direct as he seemed to have forgotten I was at his house. I have just posted it "as is" without any edits simply because it shows what we were discussing. Yes there were a lot of Filipino's caught out at the same time I am not getting into the discussion of my personal view on David's sales tactics as I didn't buy the policy anyone who did however are welcome to give their turn of events. This is why the subject was opened up as you can see there was only a couple of lines that originally started the conversation connecting Paul,David and Legacy. But also the whole BOI Paul arrest of 2006 of Paul Petrea is also confirmed by David himself. As I have said already I wasn't there when it happened. The information I said before about that came from David when I visited his house. There is no verbatim copy of the discussion as this wasn't long after the boat trip with Paul which is why I was asking about Paul at that time because I was concerned about the way he was.

So regards concentrating on David its actually the reverse where he wants to show that he wasn't that involved and this is why the thread was started. As his investors can clarify that he wasn't selling the legacy policy or other investments and also that he wasn't directly involved with Paul at BOI (Although would say at this point that the BOI for me is irrelevant as helping a friend would have been expected would be more concerned about not helping).
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I say the only way for David to clear his name at this point is to go back and change the past.

What I like about this thread is, after many months of discussions about Paul and his criminal activities, one of Paul's close friends has finally admitted that Paul was arrested and in a BOI jail in 2006.  Why did it take you so long to admit it?  What were you trying to hide?

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Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 08:39:56 AM one of Paul's close friends has finally admitted that Paul was arrested and in a BOI jail in 2006. 

I didn't think that the fact Paul was arrested was in dispute.

What you do have more evidence of, however, is that it was not a gaol (jail if you are American). It was a detention centre. Which is not the same thing. It was the detention centre on the third floor of the Bureau of Immigration on P Burgos Street in Mandaue City.  Paul was free to come and go so long as he was accompanied by an immigration official. Then allowed to depart when 3 years of over due extensions were paid.


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Quote from: sibbick1 on Yesterday at 09:43:49 AM
Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 08:39:56 AM one of Paul's close friends has finally admitted that Paul was arrested and in a BOI jail in 2006. 

I didn't think that the fact Paul was arrested was in dispute.

What you do have more evidence of, however, is that it was not a gaol (jail if you are American). It was a detention centre. Which is not the same thing. It was the detention centre on the third floor of the Bureau of Immigration on P Burgos Street in Mandaue City.  Paul was free to come and go so long as he was accompanied by an immigration official. Then allowed to depart when 3 years of over due extensions were paid.


Regards: Jim Sibbick

Paul wasn't allowed to depart.  That is another lie Paul has spread and people believe.  He was Blacklisted and a Deportation order issued.  He should have been deported back to the USA but since he agreed to pay for his plane ticket he was allowed to fly to Hong Kong.  Paul has never admitted be being Blacklisted since he illegally reentered the Philippines.  Does anyone need the Blacklist Order Number?   Its AFF-06-085 Entered on 12-14-2006 For Violation of Sec. 37 (A)(7) of the Philippine Immigration Act of 1940.  And, if you don't believe it then call Immigration and ask them.

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Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 11:16:33 AMPaul wasn't allowed to depart. 

Of course he was. As soon as he paid his fees. Refer to the attached docs at the end of this message.

As you can read in David Whittall's message, Paul came to Australia and stayed with me.

I was in constant contact with Paul from the night he was arrested until he arrived in Sydney. I was also in contact with Karl Livingstone, who called the police and had Paul arrested. I was also in regular contact with Jan Pernia, otherwise known as JJ.

I can't remember what Airline it was but if you insist he went to Hong Kong, then it was Cathay Pacific from Cebu to Sydney via Hong Kong.

Perry Gamsby and myself met Paul at the airport.


By the way, if you want video of the parties being discussed,  watch these videos

Paul Petrea, Perry Gamsby, David Whittall and other expats at Villa Terisita after the wedding of Paul and JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/maria.wmv

Karl Livingstone and his wife Daphne, the sister of JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/no_disability.wmv


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We appear to have yet another thread hijacked to be about Paul. Isn't approaching 700 posts enough in 1 topic, it has to take over a thread about David Whittall too?  C:-)
Some say his scrotum has its own small gravity field...

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Well Sting, its sill on the same subject of Wood Paul Petrea and now some of his supporters are coming to his defense.

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Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 11:16:33 AM
Quote from: sibbick1 on Yesterday at 09:43:49 AMPaul wasn't allowed to depart. 

Of course he was. As soon as he paid his fees. Refer to the attached docs at the end of this message.

As you can read in David Whittall's message, Paul came to Australia and stayed with me.

I was in constant contact with Paul from the night he was arrested until he arrived in Sydney. I was also in contact with Karl Livingstone, who called the police and had Paul arrested. I was also in regular contact with Jan Pernia, otherwise known as JJ.

I can't remember what Airline it was but if you insist he went to Hong Kong, then it was Cathay Pacific from Cebu to Sydney via Hong Kong.

Perry Gamsby and myself met Paul at the airport.


By the way, if you want video of the parties being discussed,  watch these videos

Paul Petrea, Perry Gamsby, David Whittall and other expats at Villa Terisita after the wedding of Paul and JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/maria.wmv

Karl Livingstone and his wife Daphne, the sister of JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/no_disability.wmv


Regards: Jim


You have the receipts, so does that mean you paid to get the criminal out of jail?
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Quote from: sibbick1 on Yesterday at 12:00:47 PMBy the way, if you want video of the parties being discussed,  watch these videos

Paul Petrea, Perry Gamsby, David Whittall and other expats at Villa Terisita after the wedding of Paul and JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/maria.wmv

Karl Livingstone and his wife Daphne, the sister of JJ
http://bigjimsphilippinesexperience.com/videos/no_disability.wmv


Regards: Jim

As you've specifically disabled hot-linking on your site Jim, it would easier if you tell people how to get to them.

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Quote from: The Stig on Yesterday at 12:33:46 PMWe appear to have yet another thread hijacked to be about Paul. Isn't approaching 700 posts enough in 1 topic, it has to take over a thread about David Whittall too?  C:-)
Moderator Comment I agree. Let's get back on topic, shall we.

Quote from: Americano on Yesterday at 01:40:17 PMWell Sting, its sill on the same subject of Wood Paul Petrea and now some of his supporters are coming to his defense.
His name is Stig who is a racing car driver not some pop star! And I don't believe Whittall is coming to Paul's defence but rather trying to cover-up his own involvement in selling Legacy and denying any participation in raising the money to pay the hefty BoI bill back in 2006.

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Lots of word phrasing going on but as regards Paul that's over on the other thread. Technically Paul was allowed to leave as soon as he had paid his fees and sorted his ticket out as far as I am aware. But at the same time I would assume if he hadn't sorted his outdated visas and paid the late fines or bought his ticket then they would have deported. Being allowed to leave doesn't mean he wasn't added to the blacklist but simply left at his of his own free will. E.g. a drunk at a bar being asked to leave or be kicked out.

But back on tagent as the thread is to do with David wanting to be able to remove himself from selling Legacy policies and also that he didn't help Paul and seems judging by his emails that David's wife liked Paul and and not David.

Although David can't remember meeting me and my wife or telling me the things he has below it was in June 2008.
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